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Anty Ep 06-07-2007 10:23 AM
man amputates pinned leg after only 11 hours
 
remember the story about the rock climber who hacked his lower arm off after he got pinned in the rocks at his wrist? he hung on the rock for three days drinking his own piss until he became so weak that he decided it was saw his arm off with his leatherman tool or die.

so he broke his own forearm and then sawed his arm off and made his way to safety. this was a hell of a story and here's another one, but instead of waiting three days this dude hacked his leg off after only 11 hours. I think I would probably have waited a day, myself.

But would you have the balls to hack your own limb off to survive?

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Man pinned under tree amputates his leg

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Alone in the woods with his left leg pinned beneath a fallen tree for 11 hours, a 66-year-old man used pocket knives to cut off his limb below the knee to free himself, a neighbor and authorities said.
Al Hill had been cutting trees last Friday when one fell on him. After freeing himself, he cried out for help, and a neighbor passing through this sparsely populated area heard him.
Eric Bookey then hiked nearly two miles to get a cellular signal and placed an emergency call to the town's all-volunteer fire department about 7:30 p.m., Fire Chief Luana Dowling told The Associated Press on Wednesday.
Hill was eventually airlifted by helicopter to a hospital where he underwent amputation surgery, Dowling said. "He's a pretty remarkable person," Dowling said.
A hospital spokeswoman said Hill was in serious condition on Wednesday, and that he was declining interviews.

Kahlil Gibran 06-07-2007 10:31 AM
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Alone in the woods with his left leg pinned beneath a fallen tree for 11 hours, a 66-year-old man used pocket knives to cut off his limb below the knee to free himself, a neighbor and authorities said. Al Hill had been cutting trees last Friday when one fell on him. After freeing himself, he cried out for help, and a neighbor passing through this sparsely populated area heard him.
I think the moral of this story is that amateur lumberjacks should not go alone. Also...maybe he should have waited a few days and cried out for help before he hacked his leg off.

:Sorry:

mamboni 06-07-2007 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by gasilat (Post 630944)
I think if a tree fell on me and I had "pocket knives" and 11 hours to kill I might be able to whittle that tree down around the pinned area and possibly pull my leg out...

But I'm kinda crazy that way...
Very good point! Heck, I'm a doctor and I'm not so sure I could hack off my own leg. I'm surprised he didn't bleed to death.

Kahlil Gibran 06-07-2007 11:00 AM
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If this was a test gasilat would get the highest grade. Lucid as it gets.

:bowdown:

Darkside 06-07-2007 11:19 AM
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It depends where you are. IN some parts of the country you'd be easy prey for something willing to take advantage of the situation- especially in the middle of the night!

Anty Ep 06-07-2007 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Kahlil Gibran (Post 630925)
I think the moral of this story is that amateur lumberjacks should not go alone. Also...maybe he should have waited a few days and cried out for help before he hacked his leg off.

:Sorry:
great replies, I knew this would be a good one :beer:

Jack London 06-07-2007 05:21 PM
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I would try and talk a bear into moving the tree before I cut off my leg. Back to the time question. You can live about 3 days without water (not withstanding grievous injury.) I am sure I would have waited at least a couple of days before amputating my leg.

Wait a second. Why not dig your way out? Don't raise the tree, lower the earth.

Anty Ep 06-07-2007 05:24 PM
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that rockclimber dude had a camelback and was pissing into it according to the article I read. every time he recycled it, it was all darker and yuckier and stuff.

I'd heard that sailors on lifeboats did that, but that was the first account I'd heard which was credible to me.

I hate to bring this practice up but it's the survival forum after all. I mean we've had some chats about eating long pig too. lol

Baphomet Jones 06-07-2007 05:32 PM
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They may have amputated his leg after they got the log off him anyhow, depending on how badly damaged it was. He should work for UPS or FedEx

For when you absolutely, positively, need it there with no time to spare! Our employees let NOTHING hold them back, not even limbs pinned under trees! :elefant:

Also, 66 years old? The guy who waited 3 days to cut his arm off, Aron Ralston, was half his age. The 66 year old guy may not have held out quite as well.

Alric 06-08-2007 06:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kahlil Gibran (Post 630925)
I think the moral of this story is that amateur lumberjacks should not go alone. Also...maybe he should have waited a few days and cried out for help before he hacked his leg off.

:Sorry:
Thats actually a great idea any time you go some place where their are few people.

Fiat Mutiny 06-10-2007 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 630913)
remember the story about the rock climber who hacked his lower arm off after he got pinned in the rocks at his wrist? he hung on the rock for three days drinking his own piss until he became so weak that he decided it was saw his arm off with his leatherman tool or die.

so he broke his own forearm and then sawed his arm off and made his way to safety. this was a hell of a story and here's another one, but instead of waiting three days this dude hacked his leg off after only 11 hours. I think I would probably have waited a day, myself.

But would you have the balls to hack your own limb off to survive?
This 11 hour-guy is just trying to steal the thunder of the original arm hacking guy. The real story is a small limb fell on his leg so he hacked it off. The other guy got famous and this Borderline Personality D.O. knew that the limb falling was his one chance at fame and attention.

Seriously though, how about digging your leg out. Maybe he was caught in an awkward prone position.

GOLD DUCK 06-10-2007 11:56 AM
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QWAK,I always carry MY "SWISS ARMY" knife, the SAW will cut BONE (tested it on a deer leg) but never realy even concidered using it to cut of an ARM or LEG! :stupido2:

When working around the cabin and doing projects I ware my "LEATHER MAN" knife I find it more rugged and the PLIORS and knife blade the most often used.

Most likely I would just try to concerve energy and WIDDLE on the TREE ocasionaly screaming various PROFANITY hoping some one would hear me.:beer:

the DUCK

GreenSpirit 06-10-2007 12:32 PM
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But would you have the balls to hack your own limb off to survive?
Anty Ep

Not if I was wearing a nice shirt. :s9:

Wyldwil 06-10-2007 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Darkside (Post 630987)
It depends where you are. IN some parts of the country you'd be easy prey for something willing to take advantage of the situation- especially in the middle of the night!

First thing I thought about.

Having your throat of innards ripped out before you would be worse than slowly slicing off youir leg. But, not much worse.

sindgefallen 06-10-2007 08:59 PM
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No one in th U.S. seems to have any cajones any more. Granted I don't mean everyone but it is growing by the day.

GreenSpirit 06-10-2007 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by sindgefallen (Post 633904)
No one in th U.S. seems to have any cajones any more. Granted I don't mean everyone but it is growing by the day.
I had to cut mine off when they got pinned under a tree. :rofl:

Anty Ep 06-11-2007 09:17 AM
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I was just thinking about this, and I thought, how the hell long would it take to saw yer own freakin leg off with a pocketknife?

I mean what if you had a hacksaw, you could probably amp that baby in 20 minutes. But a pocketknife? That might have taken him hours.

The rock climber dude said he had to break his arm once, then started hackin away at it, then he realized he'd not be able to get it done, so then he broke it at the wrist again, and then hacked it off there, since there was less gristle and bone to chip away at and so forth.

Anty Ep 06-11-2007 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Fiat Mutiny (Post 633620)
This 11 hour-guy is just trying to steal the thunder of the original arm hacking guy. The real story is a small limb fell on his leg so he hacked it off. The other guy got famous and this Borderline Personality D.O. knew that the limb falling was his one chance at fame and attention.

Seriously though, how about digging your leg out. Maybe he was caught in an awkward prone position.
Say, that is a real phenom. Read this

http://www.world-science.net/exclusi...1_amputfrm.htm

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Craving for amputation is more complex than once thought, researchers say
Sept. 11, 2005
Special to World Science

When an affable, middle-aged man told doctors at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Milwaukee, Wisc., that he wanted a limb amputated�and always had�they spent months trying to cure him.

He then packed both his legs in dry ice for seven hours, causing severe frostbite and forcing them to chop off both legs above the knee. That done, he told the doctors, he was finally happy.

For a while.

Lately, the man, called �Patient A� by physicians to protect his privacy, has been talking about doing the same thing to his left arm, the doctors report.

Researchers are studying why some people persistently want to have limbs amputated, and the scientists are finding that the motivations are surprisingly varied. As a result, they�re struggling with the question of how to diagnose, let alone treat, the condition.

Scientists once considered it solely as an aberration of a sexual or psychotic nature, but researchers are learning that some �wannabe amputees� have different motivations, according to five psychiatrists from the medical center. The doctors, who worked with Patient A, described some of these findings in the September-October issue of the research journal Comprehensive Psychiatry.

The Internet is feeding and encouraging would-be self-amputators by bringing them together, the researchers added. There are also doctors willing to perform amputations for them.

The �wannabes� commonly say amputation is to them a form of self-fulfillment. They claim it would, paradoxically, make them feel �whole.� Some also admit less exalted motivations, including, in Patient A�s case, a wish for attention�including the sorts of attention that cost taxpayer money.
Patient A said he wanted amputation partly because it�s �something about me that is noticed, accords me certain accommodations and cannot be denied,� according to the Comprehensive Psychiatry paper. He applied for and received Social Security disability benefits after his operation.

The authors described him as intelligent, articulate and tranquil, but with an abusive childhood and failed marriage, as well as sometime transsexual tendencies.
He never expressed a regret over his amputation, the researchers said, but he did agree to undergo more therapy after it. There, he �revealed that he had been interacting on the Internet in a news group designed for self amputees. Through these online communications, [he] deepened his motivation, developed the means, and finalized his determination to act on his desire.�
The desire to be amputated is known as apotemnophilia. The term was coined by researchers who first described the condition in the modern era, in 1977, according to the Comprehensive Psychiatry paper.

It�s unknown how prevalent the condition is, and doctors still don�t know its causes, wrote the paper�s authors, Bertrand D. Berger and colleagues.

One way to gain insight into the condition, they added, might be to explore what it has in common with other, better understood psychiatric conditions. One could possibly then classify it as a variant of one of these conditions. But this strategy has proven difficult, they wrote.

A diagnosis that might have applied in Patient A�s case is borderline personality disorder, the researchers explained. This is a condition characterized by impulsive actions, mood instability, chaotic relationships, and frequently, self-mutilation.

A problem with this diagnosis is that the mutilation has different motivations in the two conditions, Berger and colleagues wrote. Borderline patients often cut or burn themselves when �attempting suicide, or reaffirming the sense of being evil,� or having an episode of split personality. But �our patient reported the amputation as a means of being whole.�

Another possible diagnosis would be body dysmorphic disorder, a condition whose patients are convinced they have a defect in appearance, Berger and colleagues wrote. Patients believe they have a misshapen, smelly, or otherwise defective body part.

But again, the situation with Patient A and many other wannabe amputees is different. Their �preoccupation is not necessarily focused on a problem with the limb, but rather on not being �whole� with the limb,� Berger and colleagues wrote.
Other researchers have seen affinities between the amputation craving and Munchhausen syndrome, a condition in which people deliberately get sick or induce symptoms of illness because they like medical attention. A key difference, though, is that Munchhausen patients do this repeatedly, whereas most apotemnophiliacs, unlike Patient A, seem satisfied with one operation.

Whatever the cause of the condition, Internet discussion groups for people with the condition have blossomed. So have groups for people with a related condition, known as acrotomophilia�a sexual attraction toward amputees.

One discussion group for both amputee wannabes and those attracted to them has garnered more than 3,400 members since its founding just two months ago.

�Without the Internet, our patient may never have met someone with similar ideas,� Berger and colleagues wrote. �The Internet helped provide a blueprint for self-amputation. Without the Internet, our patient may never have conceived, let alone used a method to bring about, self-amputation. We anticipate that increasing Internet access will lead to more cases of self-amputation.�

Anty Ep 06-11-2007 09:20 AM
Re: man amputates pinned leg after only 11 hours
 
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Originally Posted by GreenSpirit (Post 633917)
I had to cut mine off when they got pinned under a tree. :rofl:
zat yous?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...&dopt=Abstract

BeefJerky 06-11-2007 10:44 AM
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I call BS on this story. Doesn't add up.

GOLD DUCK 06-11-2007 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Anty Ep (Post 634154)
QWAK,That's Got to REALY HURT!:favorites21: :thumbs do :banana: :stupid:

the DUCK

MAGNES 06-25-2007 07:29 PM
Re: man amputates pinned leg after only 11 hours
 
that is crazy, I don't think I could do that,
especially just after 11 hours

GOLD DUCK 06-26-2007 01:11 PM
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QWAK,That's GOT to HURT!:s10:

Personaly I think I would only have made "The CUT" once I was UNDER WATER. I imagin at the time that he had already LOST feeling in his crushed fingers so the PAIN part came LATER --- BIG TIME!

Sort of one of thoes "BOINK!" --"I could have had a V-8" moments that he will remember FOR EVER ----- especialy when he scratches his HEAD with THAT hand! :hahaha: :stupid: :signs14: :banana: :haha:

the DUCK

Anty Ep 06-26-2007 02:23 PM
Re: man amputates pinned leg after only 11 hours
 
I'll betcha it hurts but not as bad as one might imagine. You would have to be so totally scared shitless already your body would be anesthetized with adrenalin. But I'll bet the pain came on fast and hard once they got free.

Here, I think I'll cut off my left hand as an experiment. Doesnt it say sumpfin bout dat in de Bible? Gots to pluck out me eye too.


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